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There are now Transgender women, who wrongly refer to themselves as ‘women with prostates’. This is due to the stupidity of erasing women and stupid gender neutral language

The Transgender women who stupidly refer to themselves ‘women with prostates’ are hypocrites since they whine about wanting "person with a vagina" to be used for cisgender women.

You don't need to make reference to someone's genitals in the context of their gender and vice versa. "If you have a shorter canal / haven't had a baby /find X uncomfortable I can do Y instead" 

Normal language usage is in general more elegant and thoughtful than "vagina haver" - and so such awkward language becomes a strawman.

I dislike "service user" in a medical context, especially in acute services - no you are not here because you had a choice, you are here because some stuff has happened and you must be treated with sympathy, rather than as a purchaser. At least it's gender neutral..

There got to be some middle ground here. It makes me feel very uncomfortable having women being referred to as “person with ovaries” “vagina-owner” etc. It feels like women are being reduced to their reproductive systems. Yet obviously the word “women” makes some triggered people the same level of uncomfortable. So I struggle with what a solution would entail. (in some languages, terms for private parts such as vagina and penis are all vulgar. Those twrms are equivalent to saying "person with c*nt/pussy")

Overall, stuff could be phrased differently. In all honesty the label "vagina-owner" each times strike me as a fake attempt at inclusivity because some trans guys also hates being reduced to their ovaries and genitals. Similar to how difficult it is to change "Hey vagina owners check out this cool brand who makes pads and tampons" to "Hey check out this awesome brand who makes pads and tampons". It is implicit that you don't feel a need to remind people of their own body constantly

That’s what I thought about also! I was considering the inclusivity of trans men, though it’s actually just telling them again and again about something dysphoria-inducing, is it not it? Defining anyone using only body parts just smacks of sexism to me….

I strongly like to be inclusive, but "neutralizing" such terms, to me feels...forced. Stupid even.

Like, why can't everyone get that point that genitals do not make a man or woman, but still accept that most women -i.e the majority - is born with "female reproductive organs". And that people like f.ex. trans men are a vital exception to said rule.

Sort of like how there are some people who are born without hands. They're not less human

Especially since not all women who go to the gyno (or other doctors for that matter) have ovaries etc or are seeing the gyno in order to get them removed due to different medical conditions etc. It also is not inclusive.

Trans men make up 1 or 2 percent the population, this gyno is wrong pronouns etc. If using the word ‘woman’ triggers trans people or non binary people, then maybe they need serious mental help instead of our society erasing women just to shut them up. They are the 1 or 2 percenters after all. ‘Inclusive’ as used here is code for toxic wokeness. This gyno should be fired. She doesn’t even know what a woman is.

The line, “Inclusivity is not threatening to you, but being non-inclusive may be life-threatening to someone else.”, is utter bullshit. If trans people are that triggered by someone using the word woman , they need to get mental help, not have gynos refrain from using the word woman.  

I believe language can be inclusive, but gender-neutral language is NOT. "Woman" is inclusive of everyone who has been "assigned" female at birth. "Menstruator" excludes postmenopausal women, prepubescent girls, and anyone in-between with a medical condition. "Menstruator" also implies that men and boys can menstruate, and that those who don't menstruate? don't for arbitrary reasons? have medical conditions? This is not inclusive language, this is female-erasing language. Also this is not for the FTMs (who commonly want to suppress their periods, not to mention that testosterone eventually leads to the atrophy of their reproductive organs). It is for the FTMs who don't want a use of "woman" that excludes them. So "woman" is just used when FTMs can relate, and "menstruator" makes them feel better because "you don't need to be able to menstruate to be a real woman menstruating and womanhood are unrelated".

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